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  • An ancient gold coin proves that a third century Roman emperor written out of history as a fictional character really did exist, scientists have said.

    The coin bearing the name of Sponsian and his portrait was found more than 300 years ago in Transylvania, once a far-flung outpost of the Roman empire.

    Believed to be a fake, it had been locked away in a museum cupboard.

    Now scientists have said scratch marks visible under a microscope prove that it was in circulation 2,000 years ago.

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    Gold coin proves 'fake' Roman emperor was real - BBC News

    An ancient gold coin proves that a third century Roman emperor written out of history as a fictional character really did exist, scientists have said.

    The coin bearing the name of Sponsian and his portrait was found more than 300 years ago in Transylvania, once a far-flung outpost of the Roman empire.

    Believed to be a fake, it had been locked away in a museum cupboard.

    Now scientists have said scratch marks visible under a microscope prove that it was in circulation 2,000 years ago.

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    Fahad Albassam says:

    History can never fully be uncovered just wow never knew we would discover new things on the Roman empire

    Katherine Trill says:

    I always assumed details in all the Roman emperor were logged as they had good records didn’t they? It seems fascinating that someone managed to be important and well known enough for the image to validate a coin, but not recorded anywhere. Who else is there to find out about!

    Michael H says:

    Punching out some new coins out of old ones isn’t that hard and it might have been a way for a wannabe king proof his legitimacy. Look – I’m on the money. ( purely speculation on my part)

    Kate Ground says:

    They had good records but some emperors were writen out of there own historical records if they were really bad

    Ride TheCurve says:

    @Kate Ground Can we still do that? I know of one that I’d like to be rubbed out of history right now.

    Ride TheCurve says:

    @Tacidian A real Game of Thrones, to be sure.

    Kate Ground says:

    @Ride TheCurve not sure but rome took it to extremes they would deface statues and anything that could id xomeone

    Tacidian says:

    The 50 year-long crisis of the third century produced a lot of soldier emperors that ruled over one or two provinces before being overthrown by one of their own a couple of months later. Truly one of the most chaotic time periods in Roman history that nearly brought the Roman empire to an end.

    NN says:

    @Peace Leader All Roman emperors were military dictators. A fair few ruled until they died of old age. Mike Duncan’s “History of Rome” podcast is a pretty good series on it.

    Peace Leader says:

    @NN agreed.. the mistake they made would become our lesson… hmmmm.. humanity can no longer afford to fight another world war that will become the end of our civilisation..
    Humanity must create something of themselves to avoid stagnation of mindset and endless war, cycle of recession, and inequality between nations and people … and history proves that sovereignty jurisdiction and patriotism flags is a flawed social structure, and a wasteful social structure,.. that is why a one world governance framework will bring an end to these prolonged periods of sovereign dictatorship we call nations…
    Because it make sense to simplify things and utilise things… and yes a species ambitions is far more productive than a personal sovereign ambitions..
    Because no one lives forever..
    And while you and me still alive..
    Please plant that seed with me..
    A seed of our one human species ambitions for a greater future for humanity and a more sustainable prosperous lives for future generations of the world population for them to enjoy when they comes along .. hmmmm..

    Unnamed says:

    not more chaotic than the transition from republic to monarchy

    James Foard says:

    @Peace Leader where do you think these “dictators” come from exactly? And what protects your one world government from becoming a dictatorship? A certain percentage of the population is and always will be dangerous psychopaths or amoral narcissists that seek to exploit people of good character. Look at what Dawkins has to say about the prisoner’s dilemma in his book ‘The Extended Phenotype’ – he explains the evolutionary basis for this stuff. Revolution would not only erase the systems which your “dictators” exploit, but also the rules and social conventions which restrict them. You only have to look at the Communist revolutions of the past couple hundred years to see the mess caused when seemingly well-intentioned movements are co-opted and subverted by evil people. The idea that we could do this for the entire globe is lunacy!

    Peace Leader says:

    @James Foard everyone has a mum and dad I don’t think those world leaders and those wealthy oligarchs are pure evil .. hmmmm.. to me people are just people as human beings we alway have a candle of goodness in our soul.. yet the very social structure we live in that makes us and our mindset to become sovereign dictators.. hmmmm..
    Power and greeds is a direct result of how our current geopolitical system dictated us to be.. hmmmm..
    Yet with a one world government and a well planned constitutional reform..
    Within a few generations we will see the changes within our human species mindset.. and a one species ambitions to conquer space and time will be our motivation..hmmmm
    Go to space and see our human home world against a dark lifeless eternity of space and you will realise that our human species doesn’t have a choice..
    Conform to a one species ambitions or die with a stagnation of mindset.. hmmmm ..

    Rhiannon Senpai says:

    2:11 Correction: it’s now Romania, Transylvania ia a region of Romania. Back then it was part of Roman Dacia that also was made up of Wallachia and parts of Moldova, so not just Transylvania.

    Сергей Гореликов says:

    @Rhiannon Senpai The Romanians were even lucky in this sense. Nobody produces them from the mythical, but pretty smelly Scandinavian barbarians. It is much more pleasant to see in your ancestors well-fed Roman patricians reclining with hetaerae; and to the enchanting sounds of lyres listening to the lines of the immortal Ovid, who came personally to delight their ears. In a word, antique furnishings and other high culture

    Rhiannon Senpai says:

    ​@Сергей Гореликов Bruh…Did you know that around year 100 AD Rome had a population of 1 million and 200-300 years later because of Barbarian invasions their number declined to just 50,000? So Rome got fucked, so did Roman Dacians, Roman Greeks, Roman Britons, Roman Gauls etc.

    Сергей Гореликов says:

    @Rhiannon Senpai Roman Greeks, Roman Britons, Roman Gauls

    Сергей Гореликов says:

    Roman Murricunts ))

    Сергей Гореликов says:

    @Rhiannon Senpai its okay but rome and romania its two big diffferences

    delavalmilker says:

    As some others have commented here: he may have called himself “Emperor”. But there were any number of such military commanders at this time who did so. It was period of extreme chaos, with 25 “official” emperors during this 50 year period. And that number is debated, even by historians. Calling this guy “a forgotten Roman Emperor” is really stretching it. He was probably just a local military commander. With no power beyond his local region. Or maybe even beyond his local military barracks. Many of these so-called “Emperors” from this time, had “reigns” that lasted only a few months. Some only a few weeks. Before they got bumped-off.

    Neutron Alchemist says:

    @Jonkeu Viuhc This “Sponsian” had the advantage that, likewise governing Dacia, he had a direct source of gold, hence the coniage.

    Andrew Edgar says:

    Sounds like the last few British PM’s 😂

    Alison Hilll says:

    After the BBC narrative has gone so far left I don’t care or believe anything these lying idiots say .

    Ekes Andras says:

    @Neutron Alchemist good point to mention

    Chance says:

    Dude at least governed somewhere for sure

    Ann SH-EN says:

    In Russia in 1600s they had so-called Ljedmitry (literally, false Dmitry), who was a Polish-Belarussian monk and pretended to be a new Russian tsar, who was a “killed” prince before. He ruled for a few years, but, then, they found out, tortured and killed him.

    LUIS RICARDO LOZADA AMAYA says:

    There were three of them

    Joanna says:

    Sounds a bit like Lieutenant Kije.

    Kenny Z says:

    What is it with the Russians and crazy monks

    Wolves07 says:

    @astro boi Still mad about Ukraine?

    Сергей Гореликов says:

    @Wolves07 1600s – ukraine not found yet

    Charles Phillips says:

    “The years from 235 to 297 were given over to anarchy ruled by sword or dagger. Forty-six emperors or pretenders were slain or assassinated in strife that drew most of the legions away from their posts. With the border left undefended at vital points, the barbarians found an opportunity to add invasion to the horrors of civil war.” – Lynn Montross, War Through the Ages (3rd Ed., 1960), p. 87.

    Hexus mexus says:

    Nice work

    Bobbydazzlla says:

    A very good example of why it’s very important to the whole history of humanity that every coin or relic that’s found is reported to the proper authorities.

    Public Public says:

    Or if your children need food wtf sell on the black market…

    Aristophanes' Ghost says:

    That includes statues.

    Max Sands says:

    And lose my lifetime membership in the finders keepers club. With my government destroying history right and left I’ll never trust them with anything.

    ADah Bafa says:

    I was recently wondering if something like a single coin had ever brought back a forgotten ancient ruler victim of a damnatio memoriae process or something like that. And now this. Thank you.

    GhANeC says:

    Maybe he was a Legatus, brazen and drunk on himself enough to self proclaim emperor of the east, and powerful enough to enforce that position, even ordering circulation of actual currency of himself…until he was exposed and erased, along with (clearly almost) all traces of him.

    jerolvilladolid says:

    He was probably an emperor over one weekend in the 3rd century, as there were emperors every other day on that time

    Stephen REED says:

    I can imagination a similar report on Liz Truss in 18 Centuries time.

    Z M says:

    Still better than what you will ever be

    jerolvilladolid says:

    @Z M your comment doesnt make any sense. You think I want to be a roman emperor?

    peter schmidt says:

    Even a culture with a very good written and artefact history can lose all records over time, let alone the cultures that had no written language and built very little.

    Anthony James says:

    It’s important for sure, but regardless, a minor ’emperor’ among many trying to lead Rome.

    Ironic Cookies says:

    Goes to show that many things in history will be lost or be considered fictional/myth, even if they were real or based on real events but exaggerated.

    Christophe De Vos says:

    There have been a couple of ‘false emperors’ in history as well, people who claimed that they were the legal pretenders to the throne. In the roman empire a whole bunch of pseudo-nero’s for instance.

    Dan says:

    The coin may be genuinely Roman but that doesn’t mean it’s genuine. There have always been fake coins in circulation.

    Cronos X Cronos says:

    A coin that was shared or changed hands by thousands of people, and they all bought thousands of items with the same coin. It makes you wonder what is the real value of a coin. One coin moved thousands of people to work hard for it, but the actual coin doesn’t do anything; it is only there.

    MMajor says:

    “a forgotten Roman *usurper* to the position of Emperor” would have been far more accurate, as this man would have simply been the local military commander over the province of Dacia. The written sources we have dont even mention a Dacian revolt, nor is there any physical evidence of one. This suggests that even if this guy claimed to be Emperor and minted his own coins, it was probably only for a few months at most before every legion nearby converged on him and took him out as other generals sought to gain favor with the current regime and build up their own power and influence for their own potential usurpation attempt.

    Kevin says:

    That is one very, very valuable coin. In the millions I would imagine-

    amangray films says:

    Wow! Probably 250ad – 400ad. It depends on the gold content of the coin. We can make a guess of the possible time eras based on how diluted the coin is. Bullion was used to pay taxes during the Roman Empire devaluation of it’s gold coins. Bullion was pure. Gold coins were not. There is a lot of missing data from the Roman Empire. Although the Roman Empire was advanced for it’s time, there are missing receipts of price of bread from decade to decade. A lot of data is missing on a lot of items. Historical data is very useful to study long term cycles. With missing data, we can only approximate.

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